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Hang on tight, everyone.

Woe!

I did, actually.  I voted republican for the House Rep, but I kicked myself for that because I hated her campaign (I got over 20 fliers from her, all slamming her opponent and not saying a word about what she wanted to do).

Before I get run over here. I respect McCain as a man. I'm not sure how he would have done as president and I didn't want to find out. Palin was the clincher for me. I think she was a poor choice for running mate. A tool to go for younger and female votes. I think she needed a little more seasoning. McCain was too ripe but to me Obama was just right. I look forward to the next 4 years. I hope we can get the country back on course. If not then I'll be looking to support someone new when the time comes. At one time our country was the greatest in the world. We've slipped and it's our own fault. It's time to return to the top and show the world we're still the best. Electing a black man as president is a good sign to the rest of the world that the racist stereotype some see us as may be long gone.

For the record, I have never considered myself a Republican or a Democrat - I have always voted based ona candidate, not a party. I didn't particularly care for McCain, but I completely dislike Obama and what he stands for and never felt he had enough "seasoning" to take on the role of the President. It is a sad day indeed that he was the best the democratic party had to offer America. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton, I feel she would have been better in office, simply for the fact that she would have had the experience and help of Bill Clinton to get her through, and to lend her his wisdom on things. I don't say all of this to be drawn into a political debate, etc, or to even criticize anyone for voting for him. These are just my opinions. I am sure that our government secrets are safe in the hands of a man who has sat on the same board, and is friends, with a known terrorist. And I am sure that having spent 20 years under the "discipleship" of a very reverse-racist pastor that Obama's views on things are not at all colored by that pastor's teachings.

I have about the same thoughts on it as you do, BUT, I think it is very important for us to support our President.  So If he should do something we dislike, we speak out against the action, not against our President.  I think the last 8 years of President bashing was very bad for our country.

Oh, and I'd happily debate anyone on that...

You're judging his actions before he takes them.  And despite you not agreeing with them, a majority of the US did, so at least give him a chance.

This country has a lot wrong with it at the moment, and I don't envy him.  I don't see it all being fixed in 4 years, but I'll be happy if we're heading in the right direction.

Um - Bront - he didn't just come on the scene of politics. I am judging him on all the decisions and actions he has taken up to this point. Just because he tried to downplay or deny his affiliations with certain people, or to come across as less extreme than his track record shows doesn't mean that all of a sudden he is not the person he was just 12 months ago or more. And just because America voted for him, doesn't mean they agree with him either. We are in desparate times right now, and people are hoping that things can turn around if a different party is in office - it is not solely because they really wanted Obama - they just didn't want Republicans in office still. And plus, there are a lot of people (not everyone, so don't take offense at this) out there that voted for him simply because they like the idea of taxing the upper class to death so that they can get more money and more hand-outs from the government. I am sure if they happened to be the upper class they would think this is highly unfair, but they aren't the upper class, so why should it matter to them?

And really, I have no choice but to give him a chance. But do I suddenly think that because he is in the role of the President that he is going to start changing his views so dramatically, or that the things he has stood for and voted for are all of a sudden going to change? No, I don't. The only chance I am really giving him is to prove me wrong on my opinions and do what is best for the whole country, not just the Democrats, and not just the liberal left, and to not take his role as the spokesperson of American lightly, and to remember what this country was founded on. We are all created equal, but that does not mean we are, or should be, all the same. We are a democracy, not a socialist nation. He needs to remember that. My biggest fear is that he won't.

And to Aeson - we would have had new faces in office no matter who won - Obama or McCain. That is the great thing about a democracy.

And don't get me wrong guys. Do I like the state of our Nation right now? Do I like the way things are in the country? No - I don't. I agree that change needs to happen, I just hope we don't get more change than we can handle. Government is too complex and too involved and we need to go back to simpler times, not become more involved than it already is, which is where it seems to be heading.

So go ahead, tell me I should give him a chance, or tell me I am being close-minded. This is a democracy, and if I remember my Bill of Rights correctly, I am still (FOR THE TIME BEING ANYWAY) entitled to speak my mind and have these opinions.

Wow there is a lot going on in this thread.


I agree with what you say here, and later.  President Elect Obama has clearly stated his position, in action and words.  I don't think anyone will be surprised by what is coming, The President, the House, and the Senate are in the hands of the Democrats and their agenda seems clear.  I don't see how any Bible believing Christian can support that agenda, I certainly don't.  I will speak out plainly against those topics that are bad for our country, and not bad mouth the President.  So yes, pray for the President, reguardless of his policy.  Support our commander and chief.  Exercise your first amendment rights to speak out against what is wrong, but don't bash the President.  To illustrate, I hear many people Bash Bush, that he lied, or is stupid, or has mismanaged the last 8 years.  Seldom can they back up their words.  Insted, what the people should do is something like,"President Obama is against the "born alive protection act.  I think we should be for the BAPA, because a baby born alive (even in an abortion clinc) deserves basic medical care."  So, instead of bashing, I am topically dissagreeing with him.  He is not evil or stupid, or any other lable, I agree or disagree with this topic for this reason.  I sincerely pray for him regardless. 


This is a good example.  Aeson, you are obliously intelligent, and positive, but what change?   What better choice did people vote for?   Topically, what are we moving to? 

I'll tell you flat out.

I liked Obama's Health Care plan better (Though after looking over McCain's, his had some merits too, so I think a combo would have been the way to go).  I think his tax plan is more beneficial to most Americans.  I think he can convince Republicans in congress to work with him (Something Bush was supposed to be good at, working with the other party).  I think his infrastructure plan is better suited to help the country, and I think he's more in touch with the current times than McCain was.

I also think Biden will be able to deal with congress better than Palin.

We'll find out if I'm right.  This is a historic time for the US, and not just because of who we elected President.

Last I had heard, he was non-comittal about keeping those, but he had tax cuts of his own to implement.