Bront's Forums

Welcome members (of the SGC), this is our little place to talk gaming shop and make fun of everybody else (so that you all don't mostly make fun of me ) and to diseminate info without having to call all us up or somthing.  We can conduct polls, and discuss scheduling and such.  Just thought it might be a good idea, what do you guys think?

Not a bad idea but I wouldn't count on it being accurate and up to date.
but it is a nice place to visit.


Jovis

Hmmm not even gonna comment. 

Again.... no comment. 

I think you are a little confused on the term min/maxer.  The idea is that you take the biggest benefit for your buck at the cost of the biggest cost (usualy socially) and fail to roleplay the range.  The people that are sheeple are those like this that have characters that are nothing more than a collection of numbers on a peice of paper with no other feelings, thoughts, or motivations apart from what are the players own.  Now, in any game system, taking into account various costs to best prepare your character is in no way bad, in  fact it would be unintelligent not to do so, what seperates the "role players" from the "roll players" is that the strengths AND the weaknesses of the character all combine to form the characters psyche and how he is played.  With his own unique quirks, feelings, thoughts, motivations and such that make him different from any other character that the player jumps into.  So if you have a low social attribute or IQ, its because thats the way the player WANTS to play him, thats not min/maxing, thats role playing.  Min/maxing and low role playing quotient go hand in hand, while a good role player can take any range of character (from the sucky to the jet streamlined as all hell) and role with it, and should not be accused of min/maxing.  Just my 2 cents.

Where?

Raistlin and all

 I am sorry I must have had a knee jerk reaction, (emphsis on jerk) 
after going back through the posts I noticed that I was taking things out of context and reading more into them than was there.

I totaly recant my earler statment and I apologize to anyone I may have offended.

What my eye's saw and my brain translated were two different things.


Joe.

Well, I can understand how that can happen.  But, we are all family here, (at least in this thread) and stuff happens.  What seperates us from the juvenile younglings out there is the capacity not to take a knee jerk reaction and blow it all out of proportion, but to be able to admit to the error and move on while acting like grown adults who like and respect one another.  (thats kinda the basic definition of friendship)  We also forgive AND forget those misunderstandings whithout a moments thought.

 After a brief conversation with Drew today, I got the impression that he feels like he is walking on egg shells here now, and can't even post something saying how much everyone's roleplaying around the table has improved since he first came around for fear of sounding "arrogant" and peeving off more people.  And looking at the first reactions of you, Ray, and my aunt, that assessment might not be far from the truth.  

I reread what you quoted (I can't read the rest cuz its gone) and If I remember correctly, the discussion was about how everyone at the table needs to play a greek god in order to have fun.   Each new character has to have great stats in order to be a "viable character" to roleplay.  Now, the last time I remember creating characters, I think I rolled 3 times before sticking with what I got, While everyone else rolled 20 or more (except kim, her dice cheat) times before everyone got a character with something like a minimum +12 bonuses with no detriments before finding a "worthy character" to use.  

Now, does this also make me arrogant as well?  Or does this make my friends spoiled?  I mean, if you guys need to role play greek gods in order to have fun, why is anybody even playing in my DragonLance game?  Remember, I made you guys stick to the "first" set of roles that had a total bonus greater than +6.  (i remember the uproar.  I was being called hard nosed and it looked like people were loosing interest in playing)  Those characters are far inferior by conventional standards than any other characters I see being played at that table?  Are you guys having fun?  If not, we don't need to play it anymore.  If you are having fun, than you have already started to break free from that mold and I don't see why anybody should be feeling slighted by Drew's statement.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  And I'll be the first to admit it.  The fact that I'm an "old" gamer shouldn't make me arrogant (if it does, let me know. I'd like to change that perception)  If I do come accross as arrogant once in a while, trust me, it probably has nothing to do with gaming.  I'm just like that, alot.  But you guys know that.  You know me.  I hope you all know that I recieve constructive criticism with enthusiasm and even encourage it.  But sometimes its like pulling teeth from some of you guys when I ask for critiques on how things went.  The answers I get are usually short and contain very little in the form of critique.

Am I that good?  Or are people just not talking to me?  I try to be very approachable, like, when was the last time someone made me angry at the table?  Ever?  Have I ever blown off someones concerns?  Or not tried to repair something in my gaming style you guys didn't like?  I'd just like to reiterate that I'm always open to constructive criticism (unless its about my hair, than its just better that you shut up) and try to adapt my style to my players, while simultaniously trying to expand your horizons.  Unless you all think your the worlds best role players, than I'll just shut up.  

But honestly, we're all adults, and most of us like each other, so we should have very open channels of communication.  And If Joe and Peg haven't yet talked to Drew, I think you should, before any misunderstandings or hurt feelings progress.  And If I said something that anyone feels is out of line, call me.  Lets talk.  I consider myself a very rational person.  Ray and Drew are both long time freinds, and my aunt has known me my whole life, how many times can they recall me becoming angry?  Or holding a grudge?  

Ok, I now open the lines for rip into Tony time.  

Raistlin and all,

What made me mad was it seemed that the statment used those that game at my table as an example of what a poor player was and how great he was.

After re-reading the post and thinking about it, I know that was NOT the intention, and after talking to Drew I confirmed it.

However I do stand by one of my statments, that many (not all) of the older more experienced gamers are a little jaded...and how can you not be...your characters have seen and done just about everything...as a GM it's very hard to keep their interest and suprise them. (then there is dealing with some of the characters you come up with)


Tony, the only complaint I have ever had was that you are so ridged, as a GM the rules are law and inviolet. you are so inflexable at times (though over time you have gotten better).

As for arrogant, I have never got the impression that you thought you were better that the rest.


Joe

I'd have to agree with ya there. I've been in 2 other groups where that last was true. Needless to say I'm no longer gaming with most of those people anymore. For the most part I have completly enjoyed my tenure with the SGC, there have been times when my fun levels were rather low but on the whole it's been great. Like everything else in life there are ups and downs, and I can deal with that. But there have been times of late when I ask myself "why am I here?" It's times like those that make me want to re-evaluate my gaming options. But on the whole I do enjoy gaming with the group. I know I'm rambling and I'll stop now. I just want to say that whatever the future may bring it's been a privledge and honor to game with the likes of all of you, and not least of which being friends with you all. Ok maudlin time over, back to GW. 

Well, I have to say you do quite a good job, for a noob anyway.  I have thouroghly enjoyed 90% of the games you have run, and we won't mention the few we didn't.  Kudos you old geezer.

And by whatever do you mean?


Huh, I must be doing something wrong.


Good god man!  Why don't you set up a cot in there and sleep in there too.
Ok.  No need to be so touchy.  Gosh!   

Hey! I'm not on GW all the time!    (I'm just on the computer almost all the time!) 

Considering it's over 2 years worth of gaming? Not much!  I have more time doing other things on the computer than GW.

Nope, just stating the facts.