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I would like to thank you all for accepting my invitation to this run.  I will have the first half of your payment ready when we meet the first time, 10,000 Nuyen as promised.

The mission is not an easy one, this is why I have selected all of you for your skills.  Mistakes will be dangerous.

This is going to be an theft from a private corporate island.

The island's name is Shiao Shan-Ren
  It is a man made island approximately 5 miles south west of Hong Kong.

The defenses are as follows:
   - A minefield surrounds the island from about 1/2 mile to 1 mile out so it is 1/2 a mile wide.  All boats that approach the island without a special transponder will be attacked by the mines.
   - There are 3 large shark drones that patrol the waters around the island, I do not know exactly how close they are or the patrol pattern.
   - There is a radar system that is used to detect approaching aircraft
   - 4 SAM sites with ground to air rockets are linked to the radar system.
   - Approximately 24 armed and armored guards at all times.
   - 4 Doberman drones on patrol with Ingram White Knight light machine guns loaded with EX ammo.
   - 4 Roto drones armed with Ingram White Knight light machine guns loaded with APDS ammo.

There is also a rapid response team stationed on the mainland that will arrive within 5 minutes of an alarm being triggered.  The team is 18 soldiers with an Ares Dragon Helicopter.

Ground floor:
  Security bunker with barracks for the ground patrol and mechanics shed for the drones.
  There is an elevator to get into the first level since the complex is completely underground.  You must have a security ID and a password to use it.

Once we get to level 1, the physical security isn't as tough but the security spider has drones and wall mounted security cameras with weapon systems linked to them.

Our objective is more then likely on level 3, it is an orb.

This is the information that we have at this point.  I am open for suggestions and things we will need to get.  We have a decent budget for this mission.

Kensai

We need a recon list of ppl who come and go with a regular schedule, to this island. That will take out alot of...mess. We 'convince' them to let us 'come with'. Gonna have to look the part, as well. Cause breaking in thru the front door is kinda out of the question. Of course, we could use that tactic as a diversion, once we get what we need. You know, hire some shadow assets...to catch bullets for us.

That sounds like pretty detailed intel.  I betcha this isn't the first team contracted for this objective.  So, who exactly is being contacted for this mission.  Me as a player am not familiar with Kensai.  (or I just don't remember) So, knowing who we have to work with will vary the plan drastically.  And who exactly is contracting us for this and what intel is there on this orb?  And I hate to sound like the creedy money hog, but 10k sounds a little light for an objective with such layered defenses, and if the RRT has awakened members we're looking at some major scunyon coming our way. 
-somebody (who has been contacted)

Well, there are actually 8 members to the team and 10k is half of the pay, if you would like to negotiate for more, I'm listening.  And you are over on what the budget is, it's a lot but not 3 million.

Kensai would be my adept that was extracted last run.

I don't have the name list in front of me right now, sorry for not naming names.

Kim - Drone Rigger
Ray - Dwarf Hacker
Peggy - Street Shaman
Mark - Sniper
Drew - Troll Adept
Mike - Troll Combat Mage
Tony - Heavy Weapons (Needed some fire support)

I will take care of all travel expenses and I'm expecting to have to buy some expensive gear, like a boat or a helicopter or something like that.  I'm also willing to throw in a bonus at the end for a successfully completed mission.

Actually, we are the first team to go in after this objective.  Eve had a different team extract a Wuxing employee recently and the intel was part of the deal apparently.

This is a Wuxing holding.  They do specialize in magic research there.  I'm sure there will be a lot of nice stuff for us to take while we are there.  It's going to be impossible for them not to figure out what we took since the orb is the major focus of the facility.

I think my character would like to chuck some dice to try to get more...I think i am tossing..er..between 12-15 dice for that type of stuff..
My troll adept, while chucking 12+ dice for combat stuff, is more of a 'social' adept. And, if you want, i can make sure my dwarven infiltration specialist (read:ninja) is ready to go, if you would rather have him along.

Here is the thing.  As half of the party is made up of awakened types, the carrot of walking away with magical wares not available on the street is a good bonus incentive, as they will be more than happy to keep whatever they walk away with.  But for us mundanes, I don't want to be the prick who says that all the stuff has to be hocked in order for me to get my fair share of the loot.  If the mages are risking their necks to walk away with some high end swag, than they should be able to keep it.  That leaves me, the rigger, the "decker", and the sniper high and dry.  With only a promise of a bonus afterward to further motivate us to walk into the lion's den.  The catch is you can't spend nuyen or promises when you're dead.  And for a mundane to walk into a thaumaturgical research laboratory or whatever it is, he must have suicidal written on his forehead.  Now Wuxing is far from being one of the top dogs but they're still a megacorp, and as secure as this site is, (and being magical in nature, are sure to have its fair share of magical defenses as well) I don't think it would be out of the realm of reasonable for the four mundanes to get something extra for putting their hoops in the ringer for the mages (and I don't mean taking portions of thier cuts either, as that would not be fair also),  Now, this is just how my character would see this scenario, and Burst would be more than happy to provide heavy weapons support (as he does that quite well) but if you are saying that if I want to role play my character and by not accepting the mission it would be better that I just stayed home, I'm not sure how to interpret that.  Now, I'm sure thats not what you intended, but if I didn't know you from Adam I could easily jump to a bad conclusion.  Just because we have had low yielding runs up until now doesn't make this one any easier, I'm not sure what kind of logic that is, but a run should be valued on its own merits, now lets take a look at the what we've got so far..Thats some heafty external security and pretty detailed intel on the outside, while the inside intel is quite lacking.  Given the difficulty it seems the price was low-balled, if I'm alone on this everybody, than by all means let me know, I'm just sayin'.

The only thing I can think of at this point is to ask you guys how much you think is a fair price for your services for this run.  I reserve the right to say thanks but no thanks maybe I will call you for another run another time.

Kensai

Whats a Dragonfly?

And you make fun of my spelling?  Well if that aint the kettle calling the pot black!  Yes, its foci.   
Well, as a player I'm actually having some difficulty in trying to figure out what Burst would answer with.  Perhaps you could throw the mundanes a bone to save me having to wrack my brain for an answer. 
And thanks for comming by last night.  Even though there really wasn't much in the way of rules use, I appreciate the response.  (even though I never actually got to ask  )  The next run should be more combat rule intensive so it should be more of a primer.  But since you already have the book, all you really need to do is verse yourself in the combat chapter (and revised rules in the Rigger's Black Book 1 if you have it) and you should be fine.  You won't need to know anything about how the matrix works or magis or anything, I'll tackle all that stuff.  Just having someone with the adventure outline and a handle on the combat would help immensely with a table that might span more than a dozen players.  Thanks again buddy.   

That doesn't really help the mundanes out any, an the extra stuff that the mages are going in for would be useless to us.  And I don't want to be the a-hole who makes them sell what they risked their lives to get thier hands on in order for us to get our fair share.  And since the magical wares are the mages extra incentive to take this job, it also wouldn't be fair to take what they keep out of their cut, which might not be enough to cover what they get anyway.  They are risking their lives on a run that quite likely they might not survive, they should be able to keep whatever they are able to walk away with.  You can't throw us mundanes a bone?
An attack helicopter only seats one or two individuals.  Does eack of the RRT members have one of these, or is this more like a Huey gunship or something?

Again the friggin issue of money. If this is all this thread is gonna turn in to then count me out from here on. I'm playing the game to have fun not count fake freakin money. BTW this is most definatly not in character.

What is the main point that you are disagreeing with?  Perhaps if I knew what your arguement was I could help remedy it.  I really never felt I was argueing with you Tim, but if you feel that Kensai has an arguement with Burst (or you with me)than by all means please voice it.  (we are all adults here, or at least should be)  This is a ROLE playing game and I'm all for role playing.  I was just having some trouble as a player, putting myself in Burst's shoes to come up with an answer for what would make it worth his while.  I was hoping you'd save me the trouble by throwing us a bone, I guess that was too much to ask for.  I'll have to really try over the next few days to get into my character's head and come up with an answer for you.  I'll try not to take too long.  Its a real hard issue to wrap one's mind around.  I've begun asking myself how much money would it take for me Tony to risk my life on a gamble.  How easy could the rest of you come up with an answer?  I'd be curious to here what some of you others think?

Sorry T, I was thinking the entire time it was you and not Burst.  I will now stop being dumb now and think like Kensai.  (I was also tired when I posted that.  I should know that I started it by making this in character.)


Burst,
  I can see your point, 20k is a lot of money but since you would like further compensation, very well.  Whatever the awakened take, there part of the equipment taken and the value of it will be subtracted from the loot.  This is not everyone's cut from completing the run.  That being said, I am willing to double my offer to you to 40k and I will give you half up front.

Does this include the other mundanes as well?  I was thinking, in order for me to get an idea of the rate of money between 1st and 4th, could somebody look up how much drastic invasive surgery costs in 4th?  As there is nothing in the core, I was under the impression that such things were to be included in the Augmantation book, which I thought one of you guys have.