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Friday, October 31, 2008 – updated: 11:55 am EDT October 31, 2008
POOLER, Ga. -- When Pooler fifth-grader Jordan Hood drew a bloody vampire in art class, it scared a teacher so much she reported him to the principal and campus police.
Homeroom teacher Melissa Pevey said drops of blood dripping down the vampire's face looked a lot like gang-related teardrop tattoos. And she said the words "I Kill For Blood," written in red next to the vampire's face, could be tied to the Los Angeles street gang, The Bloods.
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The school system resolved the Tuesday incident by requiring Jordan to undergo psychological testing the next morning and then returning to class in the afternoon.
School system spokesman Bucky Burnsed said teachers are told to watch for anything that could harm students and some have received gang identification training.
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Are you upset the teacher over reacting or by what the child drew?
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I'd have to see the pic. Sounds like the teacher overreacted, but it may depend on the area.
I know kids aren't allowed to draw guns or weapons in schools anymore.
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Quote from: Crispen Fry on November 01, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
Are you upset the teacher over reacting or by what the child drew?
That the teacher overreacted.
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Quote from: Crispen Fry on November 01, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
Are you upset the teacher over reacting or by what the child drew?
Why are you bringing me into this, Crispen?
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Quote from: Drewcifer on November 01, 2008, 11:33:57 PM
Why are you bringing me into this, Crispen?
Maybe it was your self portrait.
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If it was, it would suck.
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Quote from: Bront on November 02, 2008, 03:49:05 AM
If it was, it would suck.
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That the teacher overreacted.
The teacher only followed the training the school district spent good money on.
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Quote from: Drewcifer on November 01, 2008, 11:33:57 PM
Why are you bringing me into this, Crispen?
I guess because you respond to a lower case d - drew, as in the past tense of draw. Or it was a clever ruse that
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Quote from: Crispen Fry on November 02, 2008, 04:40:02 PM
The teacher only followed the training the school district spent good money on.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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A good thing, the only harm was a kid had to undergo psychological testing the next morning. What if it was a gang thing and the teacher overlooked it?
Some things just shouldn't be in schools; Gangs, Drugs, Racsim, Mass Murder, and Suicide just to name a few. If we over react just a little to these things we are far better off than waiting for them to cause real harm.
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No matter the subject matter it is artistic expression. Until it becomes something more then let him be. He wasn't hurting anyone. Even if they find nothing wrong with the testing the boy will be branded. This could have more last effect than just a test or two.
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Quote from: Aeson on November 03, 2008, 09:26:12 AM
No matter the subject matter it is artistic expression. Until it becomes something more then let him be.
I wonder if someone would have said that had it been the boys from Columbine, and someone came across their journals. Ah - just artistic expression, they haven't hurt anyone.
I understand your view - freedom of expression, etc. But at the same time, there have been instances in our recent past where that freedom of expression was showing us something other than just art that kid was making, and I feel the teacher did the right thing to report it. And even if it was just art, how very sad that a young kid is drawing a vampire with blood dripping down it's face. There is something very wrong with a 5th grader having that kind of image in his mind to draw in the first place, and should be watched, as it could be a sign that he may be being exposed to violent images at home in the form of video games, movies, etc, that a kid that young should not be exposed to. Despite what some people say, I firmly believe that young children exposed to violent imagery are more likely to be violent or agressive themselves. There have been plenty of studies done that support this being the case.
So, all in all, I think the teacher did the right thing, and as a parent, I would want to know if one of my son's classmates
IN FIFTH GRADE
was drawing stuff like that. I would probably want to keep Nathan away from a kid like that, or at the least, I would keep an eye on that kid.
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Quote from: Bad Ash on November 03, 2008, 04:40:46 PM
Despite what some people say, I firmly believe that young children exposed to violent imagery are more likely to be violent or agressive themselves. There have been plenty of studies done that support this being the case.
Really? I've generally understood that involved parents tend to trump the effects of these images and most studies have failed to show any truly convincing evidence of this.
Now, kids raised on TV with violent images and no involved parents to teach them right from wrong, that's a different story. But, again, that has more to do with the parents than the imagery.
Now, I'm not saying you should just let kids have violence as a part of their every day life, nor am I saying that parenting solves everything, because it doesn't, and even the best parents can only do so much. However, there is more at play than simply the imagery.
I will say, I missed that it was simply testing for that morning, and had thought it went beyond that. Given it was that minor, I don't think it's too bad, but I still think it's easy to get oversensitive about some things.
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Quote from: Bront on November 03, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Really? I've generally understood that involved parents tend to trump the effects of these images and most studies have failed to show any truly convincing evidence of this.
I agree involved, loving, mom and dad parents; do trump the effects of most of our troubles. As Ash was saying children exposed to violence become more violent. This is easily shown, put a ninja dvd on for a group of kids and watch how soon someone gets ninja kicked.
All that aside, when kids show symptoms of behaviors like drugs, gangs, murder, suicide, etc... We need a reasonable mechanism to assess and take action before some one is actually hurt.
Quote from: Aeson on November 03, 2008, 09:26:12 AM
No matter the subject matter it is artistic expression. Until it becomes something more then let him be. He wasn't hurting anyone. Even if they find nothing wrong with the testing the boy will be branded. This could have more last effect than just a test or two.
How could one know 'He wasn't hurting anyone'? Until we actually look, it might just be random art, or it might be something more intentional. Where do you draw the line? When he goes out with five of his buddies and kicks someone unconscious? Then it's a little late to go looking for evidence he was in a gang, it's probably too late to extract him from gang violence. If we react when he is young and just drawing gang symbols there are many more options to extract him from gang violence.
The Boy is already branded. He draws bloody vampire pictures; you think the kids missed that social que? A morning in the principles office is nothing and less than nothing if the boy can claim a bunch of useless tests.
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Quote from: Bront on November 03, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Really? I've generally understood that involved parents tend to trump the effects of these images and most studies have failed to show any truly convincing evidence of this.
I was referring to uninvolved parents, and parents that don't really care what kinds of games their kids play, or movies they watch, and even who their kids hang out with, and parents that aren't teaching kids right from wrong.
I agree with Crispen. How are we to know if this kid in question falls into that category or not, if he isn't evaluated a little?
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I'd draw the line at when he starts hurting people or animals.
When do we draw the line? What if your child's school tells them they can't wear red or blue clothes?
Also this is Pooler, GA. A tiny little town in south Georgia. IF and that is a big IF there are gangs in the town it wouldn't be much of one. This was blown out of proportion.
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Quote from: Aeson on November 04, 2008, 10:22:43 PM
I'd draw the line at when he starts hurting people or animals.
When do we draw the line? What if your child's school tells them they can't wear red or blue clothes?
Also this is Pooler, GA. A tiny little town in south Georgia. IF and that is a big IF there are gangs in the town it wouldn't be much of one. This was blown out of proportion.
Isn't that a little late? It's difficult to correct behavior that has gotten to the point of actually hurting people or animals.
If red is the local gang color and they tell all the kids NO RED, and inform the parents, I've got no problem with it.
Jenna was a little town, it had all kinds of Race and Gang problems. (See the Jenna 6 thread)
Where do I draw the line? I try to be reasonable. I volunteer, with the Local Family Shelter and those kids have had it very rough, telling one of them they could not ware red might send them off in tears, or start a fight. They don't have the correct social skills for handling conflict. So if I see one Hugging a sibling to hurt them (and I have), I merely interact diverting attention away form hurting and 'Play' with the children giving them a role model and once they talk to me, I talk to them and we share values and they learn. But I'm digressing. I mean to say people don't just Hurt others, they build up to it, and if one pays attention they can see it before it gets to the action stage. It is way easier the help a person who hasn't yet learned to like hurting people or animals. Where do I draw the line? There's no line, I always move people away from pointless violence, away from hate, away from substances or ideas that steal their intellect, and move them toward Family, toward God, toward Truth, and Open Minded Critical Thinking.
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