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« on: November 02, 2008, 08:19:21 PM »

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10/31/2008 As has been reported by a few other gaming blogs and news sites, the Charity Auction at this year's GenCon Indianapolis was held to benefit Gary Gygax's favorite charity, which I will not name here for reasons that will soon become obvious. The fine folks at GenCon raised over $17,000 for this charity, which helps starving children in impovershed areas of the world--only to have that money actually turned down by the charity. The charity refused due to the fact that the money was raised partly by the sales of Dungeons and Dragons materials, which as we all know, puts an irrevocable taint of evil on the filthy lucre that us demon-worshipping gamers might want to use to, say, donate to starving children. Not only is this a slap in the face to every gamer, but it is especially insulting to Mr. Gygax himself, who I understand donated to their cause many times over the years. Plus, I'm sure the children who would have gotten food or clean drinking water with that money would be sort of upset, too.

I bring this story to your attention not simply so that you might let the people at this charity know how you feel (especially if you have donated to it before, as many did in the wake of Mr. Gygax's passing), but so that you would be aware that there is an alternative charity that I would personally recommend (based on our own charitable giving) if you have a desire to donate money to help starving children. Plan USA is a worldwide charity aimed at helping those who live in poverty and/or have suffered from a natural disaster, particularly with monthly sponsorships of individual children. Since the money of D&D players is clearly not welcome at this other charity, I can't recommend Plan USA highly enough to those interested in giving anyway. At least if you choose to donate through them, there's no chance your generous gifts to the starving children of the world will be rejected due to your weekend hobby.

(Incidentally, GenCon was also able to find another worthy charity with an entirely different focus, the Fisher House Foundation, that was willing to accept the money given in good faith by GenCon attendees.)


A credible source is verifying this, but another website asked and got this responce.

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Thank you for contacting Christian Children's Fund through our website.

Christian Children’s Fund made the decision to decline the gift from Gen Con, LLC after the review of numerous factors that in combination precluded our acceptance of the gift. These reasons include the possible misinterpretation of CCF’s role in regard to the event. CCF is selective in its endorsements or support because it must maintain the highest degree of integrity with respect to the use of its name and logo. The information presented to us gave the appearance that CCF (the organization) was an endorser or supporter of the event instead of a beneficiary.

Thank you for your interest in CCF. Please contact us if we can be of further assistance.
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 11:00:14 PM »

Someone in my gaming group brought this to our attention earlier this week.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 08:37:25 AM »

I can see were sponser/beneficiary would be important to CCF.  That's quite different than what the first artical implies.

PlanUSA seems to be a left leaning alternative to CCF. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 06:49:45 PM »

Yes, but that bothers me that CCF would view Gen Con as an unworthy sponsor.

The auction was in honor of Gary Gygax, and CCF was his favorite charity, so that's why the chose them this year.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 09:05:38 AM »

But you still don't seem to see it.  CCF was not concerned that GenCon would give them money, but that GenCon implied CCF sponsered the event, which it did not.  GenCon put CCF in a bad position by the way it gathered the money and presented the check.  I know you disagree but some fundamental Christian groups see D&D as Demon worship, and CCF has to walk a fine line trying not to offend either group.  Frankly they help more kids keeping the fundamental Christians happy than by keeping the gamers happy.  Had GenCon rephrased how they gave the gift, instead of being all offended I'm sure the money could have gone to helping the starving childern.

I think we are a healthier community when we don't look for ways to be offended...
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 09:10:57 PM »

I can understand that, but I'd think they could have instead said "We take the money in the spirit in which it was given, but understand we did not specifically endorse this event"

Claiming integrity while refusing money given in good faith just seems wrong to me.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 02:40:23 AM »

FYI, an update:

Someone else got a reply from them.

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Dear Concerned Gamer:

Thank you for writing to Anne Goddard and sharing your concerns. Anne was traveling when she received your email. We discussed your concern and she asked that I respond on her behalf Please know that we take your email very seriously.

There appears to be a misunderstanding which I would like to correct. When Gen Con contacted CCF about its auction, we were pleased to accept donations. However, we couldn’t lend our name for publication because our policies have specific criteria for endorsements. We were unaware that this had caused any problem or concern for Gen Con until we began receiving emails. This decision was in no way intended to be a reflection on Mr. Gygax, gaming enthusiasts or the game Dungeon and Dragons. We have the utmost respect for the gaming community and were touched by the generosity expressed through your auction. We were disappointed that we were not the recipients of the donation but we were pleased that another worthy organization benefited.

We realize this has become a topic of discussion in the gaming community and we hope you will help us by sharing this response.

The needs of children are great and we welcome your support. Should you wish to learn more we invite you to visit our website at www.christianchildrensfund.org.

Again, I thank you for taking the time to voice your concern. Your passion for gaming and your support for children are admirable.

Sincerely,
Cheri Dahl
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Bolding was done by him to highlight a point.

Sounds like a red tape issue more than anything.  Either that, or they're backpedaling.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 04:00:13 AM »

Could be backpedaling. We'll never know.


I wonder what would happen if a known athiest or satanic group were to give them money. Athiest and Satanist like children just as much as Christians. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 07:44:13 AM »

Of course they are back pedaling, CCF could have done a better job in the first place.  As Bront pointed out; with a little verbal and mental agility they could have cleared the way to accept the money.  The first line of contact just didn't the polish to handle the poorly advanced GenCon offer.   Given the responses Bront has dug up, clearly there are a few CCF reps that could have done better. 

Oh, and if Atheist and Satanist want to help the poor then they should make a ACF or SCF, not whine about being anti Christian and how the Christian groups aren't fair.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 07:03:07 PM »

There are plenty of Christian gamers out there though.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2008, 04:23:02 AM »

Who said they were whining? I just asked what would happen if they tried to donate money. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2008, 07:24:43 AM »

There are plenty of Christian gamers out there though.

Yeah, I'm one.  Seems there are a bunch right here on your site.   I sponser a World Vision child, I have for years now.  In a couple more years I'll have to pick another because Rakesh will be a man.   I could have just as easily sponsored a CCF child but World Vision was the ad I responded to.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2008, 07:38:37 AM »

Who said they were whining? I just asked what would happen if they tried to donate money. 

Sure but after you get past the obvious.  That is to say Athiest/Satanist and Christian are about as opposite as one can get.  One would assume, you mean, How can those bad Christians let children starve just because someone doesn't follow their rules! 

So I was answering the implied question.  If the whinners want to help childred there are lot's of ways, if they want to do it in a Christian way, CCF is a good choice. 

Your implication overlooks the fact that there are about a dozen good Christian organizations that do this kind of work, and have been doing the work since before the first Atheist Manifesto or Aton LaVey wrote his book on Satanism. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2008, 11:58:08 AM »

Turns out, there was even more to the story.

This is Gen Con's official responce

The upshot is, they were told that CCF wouldn't let them use their logo because of their association with D&D, so they chose other charities to donate.  Later, GenCon discovered they had been misinformed, but it was too late by then.

CCF has some communications issues, and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't an overzealous worker who fired off the first set of communications about issues with D&D. Glad that CCF at least didn't intend to discriminate.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2008, 10:39:43 PM »

There are plenty of Christian gamers out there though.

More than half the people Drew and I game with are Christians, as are we. In fact, I am amazed at how many gamers I have met that are Christians. It really surprised me at first. Now I think I am more surprised when I meet a gamer who isn't. Isn't that weird?

Glad to see the end result sounds as if it was just a bunch of miscommunication. Unfortunate, but as you said Bront, glad it wasn't discrimination on CCF's part.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2008, 11:12:21 PM »

I have a pastor in my gaming group.  Grin Mycanid is a monk. They're all around.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 09:48:31 AM »

I have a pastor in my gaming group.  Grin Mycanid is a monk. They're all around.

Really, a pastor? That's very interesting. I have always wanted to ask one of our pastors what their stance is on role-playing games.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2008, 02:10:55 AM »

Really, a pastor? That's very interesting. I have always wanted to ask one of our pastors what their stance is on role-playing games.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 07:55:41 PM »

Very interesting. How evangelical of him to print maps on the back of programs. I doubt that recycling is his only motivation in that!! :-)
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 09:21:09 AM »

Very interesting. How evangelical of him to print maps on the back of programs. I doubt that recycling is his only motivation in that!! :-)
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