Thank you for your response. I appreciate it. It shows a certain amount of courtesy and respect, to take the time and effort to get to this point. So again, thank you for your time and effort. This is the part of the discussion that gets interesting. Now that we have some firm differences can we continue the discussion to achieve better understanding of each others view point? Let us see, shall we?
Why would they automatically have shorter life spans? HIV?
Hmmm, I don't know why they have shorter life spans, just statistically they do. This is a 'cost' to that lifestyle, not a judgment of it. HIV could have something to do with it. If so, it might be a reason for Gays to Marry and therefore not spread STDs, but that's a lot of speculation. I'm simply stating for the moment that a shorter lifespan is a 'Con'. We can dig deeper here.
Measurable increase in crime? How does that one work? They're aren't roaming bands of gays looking to steal or kill.
There are studies done on almost anything. There are a few that measure crime and sexual orientation. One should always question, that is be skeptical of studies, so this might be a place for us to digress. The studies I've read, remove sexual crimes, and tally other crimes. The % of crime is still a minority in both Hetero and Homo sexual groups, but it is 3 to 4 times higher (as a percentage of the population) in the homo-sexual group. This is a 'Con'.
I doubt we'll miss any future generations. They'll still be there. There are stll plenty of breeders in this country and that's not going to change if you allow homosexual couples to marry.
Actually, statistically, there aren't plenty of breeders. If we didn't count immagration, the U.S.A. would be going in a negative direction in terms of population growth. This is contrary to the structure of our culture which assumes a relatively high population growth.
Why would it? Increased cost? We have and always will have burdens on our resources, money included. Welfare cases, the incarcerated, dead beats, criminals of all sorts, tax evaders. Plenty of people taking and not putting back in. Homosexual couples will have just as much of a chance to add to the system as anyone else. With the added bonus of no offspring to burden that system in the future.
Are you equating Homosexual couples to Welfare cases, the incarcerated, dead beats, criminals of all sorts, tax evaders, people taking and not putting back in? Aren't those all things a healthy culture would try to reduce?
My argument still applies. You believe that for the country to maintain itself there needs to be future generations. Still sounds like an argument for be fruitful and multiply.
Hmmm, No future generations means the country does end or it's land is occupied by a culture that did have future generations. I don't need the Bible to assert simple math. Nor does it make the math incorrect just because the Bible states the same obvious thing. So again, leaving religion out of it as you suggested, the obvious math should be enough to make my point.
you continue to maintain the idea that it will destroy traditional families. I say traditional families will change with every generation for good or for ill.
Yeah, I need a different phrase and a little more explanation. I'm not worried that traditions change, or what we call a family can change. I'm not worried about keeping 'traditional families' because I don't want things to change. I assert that it is better for our country, and any culture, to have a population growth rate that is sustainable by renewable natural resources. Further, I assert that a country is healthier the more it sets aside for future generations, rather than simply consuming resources. Further, because of mankind's tendancy toward war, it is optimal to have the highest sustainable, productive, population growth rate for our current territory. So, I'm not making a religious point, and I'm not against change. I want change in a positive, growth direction.
I can certainly discuss alternatives, but what works best, in context to the above healthy country, is a productive Mom and Dad team raising productive children who hold the expectation they will someday be productive Mom's and Dad's raising productive children.
Some simple math. Most populations have a close to 1 to 1 male/female ratio. It is simple math to show that polygamy or gender confusion on any but the most trivial level, causes a problem. That is to say that doing something less, is less productive.
It is obvious that herritage strengthens productive growth, and that anything less detracts.
I assert the best analysis for growth rate to avaible resource is local contributing to the larger, not distant government dictating local policy.
